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<li><em>From</em>: Sandy Harris <<A HREF="mailto:sandy@storm.ca">sandy@storm.ca</A>></li>
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-------- Original Message --------
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Subject: Re: LDP project going online
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Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:42:33 -0600
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From: Kevin Cullis <kevincu@orci.com>
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To: Sandy Harris <sandy@storm.ca>
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References: <<a href="msg03812.html">39B6FC0F.80A953E7@orci.com</a>> <<a href="msg03823.html">39B7C584.3AD826DA@storm.ca</a>>
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Sandy and everyone,
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Please post this to the discussion list. I've subcribed to the list
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today
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Also, you can see who I am and what I've contributed to the Linux effort
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by taking a look at what I've written and how I think.
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<A HREF="http://www.kaivo.com/Kaivo/Ampari/T_kolme/?page=C_qualityofLinux">http://www.kaivo.com/Kaivo/Ampari/T_kolme/?page=C_qualityofLinux</A>
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<A HREF="http://linux.corel.com/articles/migrating_1.htm">http://linux.corel.com/articles/migrating_1.htm</A>
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I'm also on the board of the Colorado Linux Info Quest (www.thecliq.org)
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which is planning the second annual Conference and Exp next March.
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Sandy Harris wrote:
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> Kevin Cullis wrote:
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> > I'm putting together a new form of the LDP project which is along the
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> > lines of what you've stated below:
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> >
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> > ...
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> >
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> > I've got some unique organizational skills which will allow me to help
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> > out. The URL WILL be www.linuxloc.com (registered yesterday) and ...
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> I don't want to rain on your parade, but there are a few points ..
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> 1)
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> While all the LDP material is freely available and, as far as I know,
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> the name is not trademarked so you can use it without legal hindrance,
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> it is other people's work. They deserve credit and recognition for it.
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Rest assured, I WON'T being taking any thunder from anyone and what
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they've done. One of the items (fields) will be name recognition
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(author) in the work I plan on doing.
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> You need to be rather careful that you don't appear to be trying to
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> exploit their good name without their permission. It appears from your
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> post that you are not being sufficiently careful.
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As stated above, if anything, I'll be enhancing their efforts by
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highlighting who has done what. I.e. if they have a number of HOWTOs or
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other docs which they have authored, they'll get "stars" after their
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name as to how many they've done (it's the idea, not how it may look in
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the end)
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>
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> 2)
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> My quick check does not show you or anyone else at orci.com as
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> subscribed to ldp-discuss. (Of course, perhaps you're subscribed
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> from some other address.) Methinks if you want to contribute to
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> LDP, you should subscribe.
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I just did, just hadn't got to it until now. Thanks for the push,
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though.
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> Not being subscribed, you may have missed some other replies to
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> your message, along the lines of my (1) above. Check the archives.
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Will do!!!
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> 3)
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> If, as it sounds, you are thinking of some form of index of LDP
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> documents, bravo. This is work that needs to be done. However,
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> this raises a bunch more questions.
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Bingo (to a certain extent)!!!
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> Are you aware of existing indexing projects? The only one I know
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> of is OMF, the Open Metadata Framework:
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> <A HREF="http://metalab.unc.edu/osrt/omf/">http://metalab.unc.edu/osrt/omf/</A>
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> There may be others I haven't heard of.
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This is not quite what I plan on doing, but I may influence what I do in
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the future, such as Phase 2 or 3. Phase 1 is a static HTML model.
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> What will your index look like and what are its advantages?
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Don't want to give it out quite yet, but it'll be cataloging of the
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docs. I need to look out for the community first by "trademarking" my
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efforts like Linus has done with Linux. I want to protect myself AND
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the community from commercial organizations from stealing my/our work.
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I've registered my web site as a .com (and .net and .org) only because I
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want to protect the idea from being stolen by others, but at some point
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it'll be given back to the group, I just don't know when at the moment
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and haven't thought that issue all the way through yet.
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> Are you targeting only LDP documents? What about
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> man pages
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> docs in info format
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> HowTos whose authors chose to put them on oswg.org
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> stuff like the netfilter HowTos that cover an important
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> Linux facilty but for some reason aren't in LDP
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> <A HREF="http://netfilter.samba.org/">http://netfilter.samba.org/</A>
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> stuff like my FreeS/WAN docs (www.freeswan.org) that
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> isn't yet in a format that lets it go into LDP
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All of this is being considered. But Phase 2 and 3 will go beyond that
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(I think big!). Hint: think "roadmap." My contact at O'Reilly thinks my
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idea has much merit, but not for a book, but online, which is what I'm
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pursuing now.
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> Why do this on your web site? Is that the best place? Do you
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> have the server power, bandwidth and skilled admin resources
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> to make it a good place?
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For a lack of better reason other than I need some work. Botton line:
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I'm trying to get into the IT field (Linux specific would be great) and
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because I don't have IT background and every IT job wants 5-7 years
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which I don't have (catch 22), I have to demonstrate my skills to those
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who will hire me. So, the web site which I will build myself will show
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others my skills and hopefully be offered work. Once the "job" is in
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hand, then I can see donating this effort to LDP, unless someone has a
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better idea.
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I'm searching for a host for this site at the moment, but I'm expecting
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the first Phase to be hosted locally until the second Phase which will
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require dynamic HTML stuff, maybe via Zope.
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> Will you distribute the tools so others can do similar indexes?
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See above comments. Yes to the community, it'll be a matter of when.
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> Do you need help? This list can be an excellent resource. There
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> are a lot of people with a variety of skills and interests.
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> Post more about your project and you should get lots of feedback.
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> Criticism, suggestions, pointers to resources, perhaps even
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> volunteers.
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I will at some point, but not too much for the next 30-60 days. I'm
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setting the framework of the cataloging of the LDP stuff, but I'll need
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help in graphics (I'm not an artsy person), database (I understand
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databases and structures, I just don't program), and hosting
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configurations, etc.
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So, you've got an idea of what I'm doing, but have left out the details
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until I'm finished with the already 7 page white paper I've done and
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which continues to grow. I'm donating 2-6 months of my effort to do
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this project BECAUSE: there is a need for it in the community (I've been
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to all of the well known sites, linuxcare.com, etc., and I haven't seen
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anyone do what I'm going to do), I want to be recognized for my work
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(with the hope of being paid for my web site demonstration), and I want
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to accelerate the adoption of Linux by making it easier to find answers,
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and the last point is crucial!! When someone is not as commited to
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finding an answer, they will give up quickly and lose interest. By my
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effort, I plan on making that endeavor easier which hopefully translates
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into more people migrating to Linux.
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> From: guylhemlistes@ifrance.com
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> Man, it sounds a lot like a commercial project designed to take
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> advantage of the LDP in "single way".
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I don't consider all "single ways" bad ways unless the control is the
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intent. FAQs came about because of the frequent questions asked.
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(Another HINT!!) I plan on "glueing" some things together to reduce
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redundancy of peoples efforts, but never to control their efforts. Does
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a library's card catalog restrict "free speech?" No, but it does help
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reduce the time it takes to find what you're looking for. That's my
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focus!! My Masters in QA forces me to think that way.
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Lastly, I want to make sure that my efforts meet the Linux community's
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expectations in quality and to "surprise" them when it's released (Phase
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1). Therefore, I don't want the whole community to know about it quite
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yet, but I'll need to expand who knows about it because I don't have
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some skills which others do to make it a high class effort.
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--
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Kevin
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--
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Success is never final, failure is never fatal, unless you quit on
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others and yourself.
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If you get married to your ideas, you'll go through the pangs of divorce
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when you're proven wrong.
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