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<li><em>To</em>: Richard Stallman <<A HREF="mailto:rms@gnu.org">rms@gnu.org</A>></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: Voila! A compromise!</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: David Lawyer <<A HREF="mailto:dave@lafn.org">dave@lafn.org</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:44:07 -0700</li>
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<li><em>Cc</em>: <A HREF="mailto:poet@linuxports.com">poet@linuxports.com</A>, <A HREF="mailto:dave@lafn.org">dave@lafn.org</A>, <A HREF="mailto:guylhem@bigfoot.com">guylhem@bigfoot.com</A>, <A HREF="mailto:jason@compsoc.man.ac.uk">jason@compsoc.man.ac.uk</A>, <A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org">ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org</A>, <A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org">ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org</A></li>
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<li><em>In-reply-to</em>: <<a href="msg03598.html">200007311035.EAA19629@wijiji.santafe.edu</a>></li>
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<li><em>Mail-followup-to</em>: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, poet@linuxports.com,dave@lafn.org, guylhem@bigfoot.com, jason@compsoc.man.ac.uk,ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org, ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org</li>
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<li><em>References</em>: <<a href="msg03586.html">Pine.LNX.4.21.0007301429450.1797-100000@crazypenguins.commandprompt.com</a>> <<a href="msg03598.html">200007311035.EAA19629@wijiji.santafe.edu</a>></li>
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 04:35:34AM -0600, Richard Stallman wrote:
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> O.k., but so what. People seem to people o.k. with the idea of just
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> separating the documentation by a flag of some sort.
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> Making two separate lists will do the job much better and more
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> thoroughly than just flagging non-free items in one common list.
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> If the non-free documents are segregated, put in a separate list, that
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> will send a clear message: LDP documents ought to be free, and
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> non-free documents are second-class. Just labeling the non-free
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> documents in a common list will not express this message.
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I don't like the idea of two separate lists. It makes it harder to
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find docs. In my case, my HOWTOs would be considered non-free since
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they require that anyone making a modification and then distributing
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it must send a copy to my email address. There are various degrees of
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being non-free and just splitting the docs into 2 categories doesn't
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reveal the whole story. One important category is what all our docs
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meet now: they must be freely redistributable in any media. But many
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docs in this category are not "free" since they restrict (or prohibit)
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modification.
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> (If the LDP decides that any new documents *must* be free, as I have
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> suggested, that would send an even stronger message.)
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Another reason that I'm opposed to segregating the docs is that it is
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part of what the Poet calls a "compromise". This means that we would
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make our requirements less free and begin to accepts docs that
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prohibit commercial print publication (with the idea that the author
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would sell rights to print to just one publisher while prohibiting
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other publishers from printing it).
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I'm afraid that if this compromise is approved, that subsequent steps
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will be taken to weaken the segregation part of it. One such step is
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to merely mark docs as free or non-free, etc. Another would be to use
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symbolic links so that they appear segregated in one directory tree
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but unsegregated in another. The result is that we wind up with
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having made our requirements for new docs less free than it is now with
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little (or no) benefit from "segregation".
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> If the non-free documents are segregated, put in a separate list, then
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> the GNU Project can refer to the list of free documents and not refer
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> to the list of non-free ones. So the LDP and the GNU Project will be
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> able to cooperate much more effectively.
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I believe that we need to have a file which shows the type of license
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for each doc. I once started on this project and hope to someday
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finish it. There's a lot of work to do since it includes contacting
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authors that have used ambiguous licenses, etc. If GNU wants a list
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of our "GNU-free" docs then we should supply it (after we determine
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which ones are "GNU-free" so they can link to these docs (mine
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excluded unless I change my license).
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In another post I'll discuss the issues of allowing authors to restrict
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modification and prohibit commercial printing.
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David Lawyer
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<li><strong><a name="03630" href="msg03630.html">Re: Voila! A compromise!</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Poet/Joshua Drake <poet@linuxports.com></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="03641" href="msg03641.html">Re: Voila! A compromise!</a></strong>
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<li><strong><a name="03586" href="msg03586.html">Re: Voila! A compromise!</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Poet/Joshua Drake <poet@linuxports.com></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="03598" href="msg03598.html">Re: Voila! A compromise!</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org></li></ul></li>
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