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<h1>Re: nwalsh and XML vs SGML [Fwd: First Open Source Documentation Summit at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention]</h1>
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<li><em>To</em>: Gary Lawrence Murphy <<A HREF="mailto:garym@canada.com">garym@canada.com</A>>, Dan York <<A HREF="mailto:dyork@linuxcare.com">dyork@linuxcare.com</A>>, <A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org">ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org</A></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: nwalsh and XML vs SGML [Fwd: First Open Source Documentation Summit at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention]</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: "Greg Ferguson" <<A HREF="mailto:gferg@hoop.timonium.sgi.com">gferg@hoop.timonium.sgi.com</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:47:24 -0400</li>
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<li><em>In-reply-to</em>: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> "Re: nwalsh and XML vs SGML [Fwd: First Open Source Documentation Summit at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention]" (Jul 19, 2:39pm)</li>
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On Jul 19, 2:39pm, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
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> Subject: Re: nwalsh and XML vs SGML [Fwd: First Open Source
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Documentation
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> >>>>> "D" == Dan York <dyork@linuxcare.com> writes:
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> D> Was he suggesting it just to get out of all the tags in
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> D> DocBook? It doesn't seem to me that using XML really solves
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> D> any issues. If anything, the rigid case-sensitivity (all tags
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> D> must be lowercase) just seems to add another issue.
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> He means DocBook/XML because (see my earlier posting today) the next
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> generation of tools will be XML based. Already, XML is required for
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> using the Website DTD and other nifty gadgets for munging DocBook.
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> His comment about it being easy to port documents is _precisely_ what
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> we've all been shouting about these past four months: When content is
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> seperated from presentation, the content is immune to shifts in the
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> presentation technology. Conceptually, technical and software
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> documents have not changed their structural requirements in 30 years
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> (since the invention of structured programming), but now we want the
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> flexibility of XML for data interchange. To change a DocBook from
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> SGML to XML really means adding the XML type declaration to the top,
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> and then (the nasty part) getting out of the bad habit of section
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> markers.
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> Now, the translation stage is where it gets weird. Our ldp.dsl is
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> thrown to the scrap heap with the Atari and openjade becomes a thing
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> of the past (I believe) ... in fact, it is not clear to me just how
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> you do the presentation stage in XML; all I know is that it requires
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> XSL stylesheets which superficially look exactly like XML files
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> (because they are) and that confuses the H out of me already. I've
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> been avoiding that can of worms as much as possible proving once again
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> that if you snooze in this business, you lose in this business.
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Regardless, the presentation aspects in ldp.dsl or any other customized
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DSSSL stylesheet can be (or will need to be) carried over into any
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kind of XSL implementation...unless we use some default styles.
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There needs to be an underlying tranformation engine as well. Whether
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openjade or something else, we would have to look into that. For
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example, how would one create a pdf instance from only an XML doc
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instance and a set of XSL styelsheets? You need to have a tranformation
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engine. In the case of online viewing many web browsers become that
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engine by taking the raw XML and the styelsheet and doing the
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transformation. I believe the 5.x generation of major web browsers
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have some of this capability built-in.
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r,
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--
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<li><strong><a name="03286" href="msg03286.html">[Fwd: First Open Source Documentation Summit at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention]</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Dan York <dyork@linuxcare.com></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="03307" href="msg03307.html">nwalsh and XML vs SGML [Fwd: First Open Source Documentation Summit at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention]</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Dan York <dyork@linuxcare.com></li></ul></li>
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