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<li><em>To</em>: Gregory Leblanc <<A HREF="mailto:GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu">GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu</A>>, LDP <<A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org">ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org</A>>, <A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org">ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org</A></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: Tags (searching)</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: "Greg Ferguson" <<A HREF="mailto:gferg@hoop.timonium.sgi.com">gferg@hoop.timonium.sgi.com</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:38:42 -0400</li>
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<li><em>In-reply-to</em>: Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> "RE: Tags (searching)" (Jun 13, 4:22pm)</li>
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On Jun 13, 4:22pm, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
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> Subject: RE: Tags (searching)
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: Greg Ferguson [<A HREF="mailto:gferg@hoop.timonium.sgi.com">mailto:gferg@hoop.timonium.sgi.com</A>]
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> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:10 PM
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> > To: Gary Preckshot; LDP; ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org
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> > Subject: Re: Tags (searching)
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> >
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> > On Jun 13, 2:13pm, Gary Preckshot wrote:
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> > > Subject: Re: Tags (searching)
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> > > Greg Ferguson wrote:
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> > >
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> > > >
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> > > > Once AGAIN I want to re-interate...
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> > > >
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> > > > 1) There is a tag/field/structured search capability that
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> > > > is near completion -- the OMF metadata framework.
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> > > >
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> > > > Please see <A HREF="http://metalab.unc.edu/osrt/omf/">http://metalab.unc.edu/osrt/omf/</A>
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>
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> Hmm, that's significantly cooler than I'd thought that it was.
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> What's the current status on this project?
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Paul Jones can fill you/us in, or someone from his team. It's pretty
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slick.
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> Has anybody looked at a way to automatically update/create this
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> information from the documents when they are submitted to the LDP?
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That's the goal. I have a parsing engine, but as I mentioned it
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needs work, and I/we still need to iron out some details with the
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OMF folks (Paul's team) as to submittal.
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> [snip]
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> > btw, (side-note) there is a DocBook "lite" or "Simplified" DocBook
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> > XML DTD that is under development -
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> > <A HREF="http://nwalsh.com/docbook/simple/index.html">http://nwalsh.com/docbook/simple/index.html</A>
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> > Not much to it; chops the DTD down to 104 elements (from 300+).
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>
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> I've taken a look at it, and I don't see any advantages to using that
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> instead of DocBook.
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I agree. I just thought I'd make mention of it.
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> > > After all, DocBook Articles are not HOWTOs.
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> >
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> > Why not? What's missing? Or are you saying <article>
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> > embodies too much "freedom" for a howto?
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>
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> That was the impression that I got. I'm still not completely decided
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> on whether or not a template can fulfill the requirements for
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> guiding authors to building a good document.
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I understand. It's certainly a possible concern.
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> [...snip...]
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> > To recap :
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> >
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> > - I agree with stating that deprecated tags should not be used.
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> >
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> > - I agree with *guiding* the author via templates and examples
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> > on how certain tags should be used/implemented. This can and
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> > should be made very clear.
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> >
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> > - I agree with stating how/why certain tags should be *included*
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> > and for what purpose (ie searching). The author then is
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> > clued into the benefit of following the guidelines and template.
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> >
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> > - I am against proposing any sort of limiting tag set beyond
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> > the exclusion of deprecated tags. Let the DTD control that (and
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> > the display/presentation controlled via a DSSSL
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> > customization layer).
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> How strong do we make the templates, assuming that they are enough?
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> Do we do something like the GDP did, and go in and hack up work that
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> people have done because it differs from the template? That's clearly
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> bad, and they got stung. How do we make a template that's HELPFUL
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> to the authors, and doesn't restrict them?
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I didn't say it would be easy ;-). If we do a decent job, and cover
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90% (or so) of what we want/need to have covered in the template
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we'll be in excellent shape.
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Our authors at SGI are given a set of templates dependant upon what
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env. they wish to work in (Adobe framemaker or the Adept SGML
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editor). I would say that even for a new author, we've got upwards
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of 95% of the possible cases/questions/scenarios covered in the
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templates. However, there always seems to be one or two questions
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a week that get fired off to our "tech support"-type mailing list
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that deals with "how do I do this", or "is this the correct way to...".
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Oh, and we've been at this for a long time. The templates
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have been molded/shaped/iterated countless time.
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The point I'm trying to make is that we are here to help.
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ldp-docbook, ldp-discuss, the mail archives, etc..we've got
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quite a few resources to help assist the authors. We need
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to respond to feedback, shape the template and assist whenever
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needed.
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> Greg
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Greg (couldn't resist doing that...)
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