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<li><em>To</em>: LDP <<A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org">ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org</A>></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: RE: Tags (searching)</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: Gregory Leblanc <<A HREF="mailto:GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu">GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:22:19 -0700</li>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: Greg Ferguson [<A HREF="mailto:gferg@hoop.timonium.sgi.com">mailto:gferg@hoop.timonium.sgi.com</A>]
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:10 PM
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> To: Gary Preckshot; LDP; ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org
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> Subject: Re: Tags (searching)
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> On Jun 13, 2:13pm, Gary Preckshot wrote:
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> > Subject: Re: Tags (searching)
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> > Greg Ferguson wrote:
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> > >
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> > > Once AGAIN I want to re-interate...
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> > >
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> > > 1) There is a tag/field/structured search capability that
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> > > is near completion -- the OMF metadata framework.
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> > > Please see <A HREF="http://metalab.unc.edu/osrt/omf/">http://metalab.unc.edu/osrt/omf/</A>
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Hmm, that's significantly cooler than I'd thought that it was. What's the
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current status on this project? Has anybody looked at a way to
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automatically update/create this information from the documents when they
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are submitted to the LDP?
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[snip]
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> btw, (side-note) there is a DocBook "lite" or "Simplified" DocBook
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> XML DTD that is under development -
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> <A HREF="http://nwalsh.com/docbook/simple/index.html">http://nwalsh.com/docbook/simple/index.html</A>
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> Not much to it; chops the DTD down to 104 elements (from 300+).
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I've taken a look at it, and I don't see any advantages to using that
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instead of DocBook.
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> > After all, DocBook Articles are not HOWTOs.
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> Why not? What's missing? Or are you saying <article>
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> embodies too much "freedom" for a howto?
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That was the impression that I got. I'm still not completely decided on
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whether or not a template can fulfill the requirements for guiding authors
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to building a good document.
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> > DocBook was not written specifically for howtos. It was
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> > written to accommodate all sorts of documents up to, and
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> > including, books. By using a subset of tags, LDP
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> > retains standardization (what can be non-standard
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> > about using standard tags as defined by the
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> > standard?). By additionally defining a set of tags
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> > that set off search fields, LDP uses SGML in one
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> > of the ways envisioned when the standard was
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> > promulgated.
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>
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> What happens when a DocBook-tagged document is submitted that
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> absolutely parses/build/validates 100% with the *standard* toolset,
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> using the *standard* DocBook DTD, yet the LDP rejects it due to
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> an additional tag or two that we don't want to have used?
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> Does that make sense for the LDP? I don't believe so.
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Probably not. If that was the case, then we'd be looking at a custom DTD,
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which would then NOT be DocBook. The key question is whether or not a
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TEMPLATE (as in a document containing no content, that is designed to be
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filled in) can provide enough structure for prospective authors.
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> To recap :
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> - I agree with stating that deprecated tags should not be used.
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> - I agree with *guiding* the author via templates and examples
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> on how certain tags should be used/implemented. This can and
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> should be made very clear.
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>
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> - I agree with stating how/why certain tags should be *included*
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> and for what purpose (ie searching). The author then is
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> clued into the benefit of following the guidelines and template.
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>
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> - I am against proposing any sort of limiting tag set beyond
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> the exclusion of deprecated tags. Let the DTD control that (and
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> the display/presentation controlled via a DSSSL
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> customization layer).
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How strong do we make the templates, assuming that they are enough? Do we
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do something like the GDP did, and go in and hack up work that people have
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done because it differs from the template? That's clearly bad, and they got
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stung. How do we make a template that's HELPFUL to the authors, and doesn't
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restrict them?
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Greg
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