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<li><em>To</em>: LDP <<A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org">ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org</A>></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: political action?</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: "der.hans" <<A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@LuftHans.com">ldp-discuss@LuftHans.com</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:40:57 -0700 (MST)</li>
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<li><em>In-reply-to</em>: <<a href="msg02279.html">39130BBE.83B1736C@inreach.com</a>></li>
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On Fri, 5 May 2000, Gary Preckshot wrote:
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> The problem with a political action HOWTO is that it contaminates the
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> LDP with concerns that are not at its level. It's as much a design
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> issue as anything. The design of the LDP has the objective of
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> documenting Linux and the problems involved in getting Linux to run on
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> various hardware platforms. As soon as you get everything but the
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I find keeping it legal and getting my goverment to stop requiring
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proprietary binary formats an important step in getting it working :).
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> kitchen sink in LDP, you lose focus. Like Bill Gates and his attempt
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> to make a web browser an integral part of Windoze. I'm looking not at
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> our political action proposer but at the effect his submission would
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> have on the purpose of LDP. I admit it's through a scope, but that
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> scope is design purity. The discussion we've been having about SGML is
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> exclusively about design and how to make LDP more accessible to new
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> authors who would prefer never to have contact with SGML. This has
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> nothing to do with politics and shouldn't have.
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Agreed. Two different topics. Sorry if I made it seem I was debating
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otherwise.
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> >> Linux is an enabler. It enables all sorts of people to use
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> >> computers for whatever they want, be it political action or
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> >> pornography. What the LDP is for is for documenting hardware
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> >Aren't those two the same at the US-national level[1]? ;-)
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I forgot the subthingy before, see below :).
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> It doesn't have anything to do with Linux documentation. This is
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> called the LDP, you know.
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That's why I brought up technical documentation. It would be great to have
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part of it concentrate on the differences between the different licenses
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and their possible incompatabilities, ala GPL and QPL, written for people
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who don't speak fluent legalese. These are issues I run into all the time
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while trying to support Linux. They are not the strongpoint of my
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knowledge :). Maybe what I'm really describing is a "legal issues
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HOWTO". Less implication of a political stance with that.
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> >BTW, FSF is political. It's taken a stand on UCITA,
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> 1) They aren't using the equivalent of LDP to do it.
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gnu.org. We could pin that on rms, though.
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> 2) UCITA strikes at the very basis of FSF. It's equivalent to Linux
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> being outlawed. As a matter of fact, assuming they could find someone
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> to sue, Linux may also be subject to UCITA.
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The way I understood it, UCITA strikes directly at Linux (and every other
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Open Source, non-shrink-wrapped project) and they go directly after those
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who have credits in the code :(.
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> He wants to use the resources of LDP, which is more the issue. The LDP
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> isn't about political action. If it publishes a HOWTO about political
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I agree that LDP docs shouldn't take a political line. Not even on UCITA
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(thought I'm willing to change my mind on that :), but that doesn't mean
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we can't encourage a technical explanation for the layman.
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> action, the IRS may suddenly take an interest. Up to now, LDP probably
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> hasn't even considered it's tax exempt status. But if LDP is perceived
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> as an advocacy organization, contributions of money, effort, and
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> equipment are no longer tax exempt. Also, if someone uses the
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Didn't know about that. A good reason to be careful, even though it
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doesn't apply in this case as the LDP isn't a NPO AFAIK.
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> Deal with it like the FSF has. Keep it separate from the LDP, and if
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> necessary, spin it off into a separate entity so that tax questions
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> don't impact the LDP.
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Maybe the HOWTO should be placed with the FSF instead.
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[1] The US federal government ran a bordello for a while after the Mustang
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Ranch in Nevada declared bankrupcy ;-).
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ciao,
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der.hans
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