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<h1>Re: mini-HOWTO</h1>
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<li><em>To</em>: Alessandro Rubini <<A HREF="mailto:rubini@gnu.org">rubini@gnu.org</A>>, <A HREF="mailto:ldp-submit@lists.linuxdoc.org">ldp-submit@lists.linuxdoc.org</A>, LDP Discuss List <<A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org">ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org</A>></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: mini-HOWTO</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: Gregory Leblanc <<A HREF="mailto:gleblanc@cu-portland.edu">gleblanc@cu-portland.edu</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:05:28 -0800</li>
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Warning, this email may provoke flames. Please, please, wait 15 minutes
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after you've written your response, then read it again before replying.
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Also, if you would be so kind as to remove the ldp-submit list from
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this, and move discussions to the ldp-discuss, where discussions of this
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sort SHOULD be going on.
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Alessandro Rubini wrote:
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> > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="FrameBuffer.sgml"
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> I just read the howto, the real one. This covers exactly the same
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> stuff. Since writing is much easier than reading what others have
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> done, we are going to face a lot of duplication. It's very difficult
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> to refuse duplicates, as people being refused is going to take is as
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> personal, but I think the LDP can't host duplicate works or it will
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> grow to be completely unuseful.
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Agreed, and we certainly don't want that.
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> I think the LDP should insist on being notified *before* people start
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> writing. It should coordinate efforts, not just collect works.
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That IS part of what the LDP is here to do. If one reads the LDP
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website, and/or the HOWTO-HOWTO (I can't remember where it was) it says
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that you should attempt to contact the HOWTO coordinator before you
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begin writing anything. I've emailed the LDP discuss list when I though
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of writing things that I thought were missing. Documents that get sent
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to the LDP-Submit list don't ALWAYS get posted on the LDP site (do
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they?). If they do, then the list should be moderated.
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> It's very similar to what technical magazines do: they get offered
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> articles before the individual article gets written. Also, the author
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> must qualify to be able to deal with the task. I'm sure some people
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> just sends articles shouting "this is great, you must publish it", but
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> I think it's the minority; also, it's perfectly right for the mag to
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> refuse publishing: "we won't invest resources in your article because
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> we don't think it fits our mag".
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>
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> People approach the LDP in a completely different way: everyone thinks
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> to be good enough to deserve publication and this is a major problem.
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> It looks like people thinks that the LDP is a huge hodge podge where
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> everything not-so-bad can get its place and everyone who invests some
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> time in writing technical stuff must get accepted aboard. This is
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> *very* bad, in my opinion, and will ruin the LDP, sooner or later.
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I don't agree with you here. The LDP is the place that I go when I'm
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looking for documentation. If I can't find it there, I search deja,
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then ask on a newsgroup or mailing list. THEN, if I can't find
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anything, I ask (if I'm qualified) the LDP-discuss list if anybody is
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working on such a thing already. If people are looking at this
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differently, then they haven't read the website or the HOWTO-HOWTO. All
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I can say to that is, RTFM.
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> It's a big problem of image, quality must be much more important than
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> quantity, and people must be used to this. There *must* be strict
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> technical review, and only good documents must be approved. At least,
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> there must be a "blessed" set of documents and a "mass" of contributed
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> stuff, either badly written, or incorrect, or just redundant of other
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> documents.
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This isn't really structured, but the review process DOES exist. Guy
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(or somebody else) can probably explain how it works better than I.
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> To this aim, we need a charismatic leader or group of leaders, who can
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> accept and refuse works without offending anybody. This is how free
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> software works: there always is a maintainer who accepts and refuses
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> contributions, and nobody ever sends in stuff pretending it gets
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> accepted.
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This is just SCREAMING for trouble. There have been STRONG objections
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to this in the past, and I DON'T think we need to open this can of worms
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again. PLEASE, don't start this war again. We have the LDP-discuss
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list, and several people who are helping to co-ordinate.
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> Why is the LDP different?
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> > I will be doing more mini's regarding other graphics cards in the
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> > near future (matrox etc)
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> This makes absolutely no sense, in my opinion.
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> > 2) No part of the content may be copied or redistributed for the purpose
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> > of profit by anyone without consent from the author.
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> And this is against the manifesto. It's enough to refuse the document.
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> I only noticed because it is at the end, after writing the text above
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> while deleting the rest of the mail.
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RTFM people. Sorry, but that's what it comes down to.
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Greg
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> "der.hans" <ldp-discuss@LuftHans.com></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="01149" href="msg01149.html">Re: mini-HOWTO</a></strong>
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