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<h1>Re: Some technical suggestions</h1>
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<li><em>To</em>: Stein Gjoen <<A HREF="mailto:sgjoen@mail.nyx.net">sgjoen@mail.nyx.net</A>></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: Some technical suggestions</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: cogNiTioN <<A HREF="mailto:cognition@bigfoot.com">cognition@bigfoot.com</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:58:38 +0000 (GMT)</li>
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On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Stein Gjoen wrote:
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> SEARCHING
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> =========
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[...]
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> - local searching:
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>
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> Most new users learn of the "man -k keyword" type of searches
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> which generally are fast and efficient. Yet this has the huge
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> disadvantages in that it misses out completely on the entire
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> LPD library. From reading newsgroups I get the feeling many
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> use keyword searches without realising they are forgetting the
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> LDP work. Redhat does admittedly include a search engine that
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> scans most types of information sources but this could be done
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> much simpler.
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How about creating a search command e.g. "howdoi keyword", or "howto -k
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keyword", and acts like man -k does, except it uses the howto documents.
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Could a command (howto?) perhaps be setup that presents the user with a
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list of the howto documents, and links that they can click on, or select,
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that takes them to that howto document. (A keyword search could also be
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included?)
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perhaps:
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alias howto="lynx /usr/doc/howto/html/index.html"
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could be added to the /etc/profile (and other shells' autoexec files) by
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the vendor.
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Maybe even a command like howto multidisk would fire up the multidisk
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howto, (as could man howto multidisk?)
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Maybe "howto -update" could check <A HREF="http://www.linuxdoc.org/updated.txt">http://www.linuxdoc.org/updated.txt</A> (or
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similar) for files that have changed since the last time the files had
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been downloaded, and then download the changed files. This would ensure
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that the howto documents in circulation were kept up to date.
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The format of the updated.txt file could be:
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howto-file-page.html:date-last-updated
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(e.g.:
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NET-3-HOWTO-10.html:08NOV1999
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NET-3-HOWTO.html:08NOV1999
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)
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This could also update a file called update.howto on the local machine
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that said when each file had last been updated.
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> Someone has made an online Linux encyclopedia which I found
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> very useful and comprehenive. The author stated he is not happy
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> with its low visibility, so why not join forces and invite him
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> and his "Pedia" on board? It already contains many links to HOWTOs
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> so we should perhaps help by reciprocating. Check
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> <A HREF="http://members.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html">http://members.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html</A>
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IMHO, I think the LDP should join together and link to all other linux
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documentation projects. This could get confusing, tho. so the link could
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only be added if it has unique content, an easier way of looking at
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things, something that makes it worthwhile linking to.
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> HELP FILES
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> ==========
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> I believe we need to add a SMALL text file into /etc/skel/ so all
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> beginners get a starting point. How about this:
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also, the line:
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For information on how to get help, type "less help.txt"
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could be added to the motd. That way people would notice the file, and
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realise that they can use it to get help on getting help.
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The LDP is there to help the newest of new users, and therefore, NO prior
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knowledge can be assumed, we need to present the user with a quick, easily
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remembered way of accessing the howto files, tell them about it, and
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inform them of the LDP, what it does. The documentation is what keeps me
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with Linux (rather than BSD*), so this 'selling' point should be 'sold' at
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every opportunity, IMHO.
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Also, could the LDP set up a mailing list that enabled users to send
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questions or requests to help? I realise this could well be swamped
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(perhaps moderated?), lots of the documentation I've read has said
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something like for more help post to comp.linux.all-the-answers..., but I
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don't read news, I never have, and lots of newbies probably won't either.
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Or maybe we could work with lugs to provide this? (i.e. The ldp has a list
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of lugs, each of which has been urged to set up a mailing list (if they
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don't already have one), and the newbies are directed towards their local
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one, shown details of how to subscribe to their list (via a web based
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form?), and then they can ask for help from their lug. Perhaps one member
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of each lug could report back to this list with a list of topics newbies
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asked for help with, but that weren't covered by current howtos, or
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explanations that frequently needed explaining.)
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.org domain for co-ordinating the worldwide lugs? Could LDP
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help with this? The more the LDP does, (obviously the more the user will
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benefit, but also) the more people will hear the LDP mentioned, and this
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will increase their awareness of our presence.
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Just my 0.02 (and the rest :), I apologise if some points have already
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been brought up, and dismissed, or are currently in operation.
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If you'd like me to give coding an example "howto" program ago, let me
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know, I don't think it'd be too hard in shell script.
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cog
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<li><strong><a name="00648" href="msg00648.html">Re: Some technical suggestions</a></strong>
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<li><strong><a name="00654" href="msg00654.html">Re: Some technical suggestions</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Guylhem Aznar <guylhem@oeil.qc.ca></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="00674" href="msg00674.html">Re: Some technical suggestions</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Sandy Harris <sandy.harris@sympatico.ca></li></ul></li>
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