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<li><em>To</em>: Guylhem Aznar <<A HREF="mailto:guylhem@oeil.qc.ca">guylhem@oeil.qc.ca</A>>, <A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org">ldp-discuss@lists.debian.org</A></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads)</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: Stein Gjoen <<A HREF="mailto:srgjoen@online.no">srgjoen@online.no</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:48:12 +0200</li>
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Guylhem Aznar wrote:
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 03:25:03PM +0200, Stein Gjoen wrote:
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> > We should get back to waliking before starting to run, I see
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> > little benefit in expending time and effort on new avenues
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> > when old ones are being left behind for no good reason. From
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> > what I have seen the core team has not communicated any plans
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> > to disband <A HREF="news:comp.os.linux.answers">news:comp.os.linux.answers</A> or has it? Unless it is
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> This is tighly linked with the ftp site ; please wait.
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> Joshua is working on scripts to ease all this.
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> However I can write a quick&dirty bash script if it is *that* urgent for
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> you.
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Yes, we have no ideas what unexpected surprises are in store, so
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I feel it is best to fire up some scripts or even do it by hand
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so we get the documents out this month. Also it is a clear sign
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of things getting back on tracks.
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> Paul, can I put in on metalab?
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> > Also I believe it is better to present something which is
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> > working well at a conference. Negative impressions from Slashdot
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> > articles are probably not forgotten.
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> The LDP *is* back to work.
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Not all parts are working yet, we discussed the news already,
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and until it is working smoothly, I feel we should work on
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getting it right before presenting something semi-working.
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Don't forget your audience, many there will be interested in
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how to get a large documentation project to work smoothly and
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as has been shown on this list many here have also professional
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interests in documentation. Too many "but..." and "real soon now"
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will leave a bad impression. Demonstrating a smooth workflow
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and fully integrated documentation WILL impress.
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Then there is Slashdot. Personally I feel it is somewhat
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sensationalistic and perhaps more interested in trivia than
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constructive or informative articles and features. That
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could perhaps be a question of focus. My attempts of getting
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some Slashdot Poll runs for LDP failed, and I now see that
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what catches the interest this week is 'Favorite "Power" Command'
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with choices of 'kill -9', 'rm -rf' etc. Amongst the articles
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I see genetically glow-in-the-dark christmas trees...
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Much can be said about Slashdot but you can be sure the LDP
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will be featured in the future and you should realise someone
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is bound to post a link to the list archive. By that time
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all the problems should be solved. Nothing travels faster
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than bad news.
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> > > We can use publicity instead!
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> > Yes! On-line websites and news, and on-disk with installations. The
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> > latter has plenty of opportunities for improvement, ref my
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> > suggestions in an previous posting.
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> RedHat is helping both its users and the LDP having a "LDP" icon on the
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> desktop of each GNOME user.
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Interesting. Could you expand a bit on what that icon does? Can
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it be clicked? Then what happens? This could be interesting.
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> We should find new ways to promote the LDP ; would you like to make a
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> list of possible opportunities?
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> I'm sorry but I can't find your previous posting.
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It was the one (repeated a few times I'm afraid) where I proposed
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extra tags for useful man page stub generation so HOWTOs could
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be found using man -k keyword and also to generate META tags
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for better web page indexing. I'll hunt it down, tidy it up and
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update with some recent ideas on man page integration and
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submit it under a new thread.
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> > Is the FTP up yet? I submitted my data to get access but
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> > never heard anything back.
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> It is not ready, coming soon.
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> > I'd like to add new ones. A quick check on my Redhat 6.0 machine
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> > using
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> We have an icon on the GNOME desktop but looks like it is not enough.
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> Maybe should we ask for a short README.documentation to be put in
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> /etc/skel ?
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Yes, we need to cater for those who haven't gotten X11 up
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and running yet. Many get no further than the command line
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before they need help.
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> It could explain man, info, what is the LDP, where documentation is, how
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> to use it...
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> > Also many installations come up with a ready made list of
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> > bookmarks etc. Freshmeat is listed, LDP is not. This too
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> > should be a simple and efficent way of promoting LDP.
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> I didn't see this on a redhat 6.1 ; which installations are you talking
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> about?
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I use Debian 2.1 at home with Netscape Communicator 4.7
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and the Debian installation system sets up some bookmarks.
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I haven't checked the lynx bookmarks or other browsers.
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There is also the default page that comes with an installation.
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At work I have redhat 6.0 and the bookmarks for Netscape
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is sparse. The default page lists "Linux Documentation Project"
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but that link points to
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<A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/linux-info/ldp">http://www.redhat.com/linux-info/ldp</A>
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which is redirected to
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<A HREF="http://www.redhat.com/knowledgebase/ldp">http://www.redhat.com/knowledgebase/ldp</A>
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where you are met with the following text (slightly reformatted):
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To better serve you, redhat.com has been reorganized.
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The page you are looking for has been moved or
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no longer exists. Please check your URL or use
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the menu below. Remember to adjust your bookmarks.
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(Rest of page snipped) This could perhaps be improved on.
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It might be an idea to check all distribution and approach the
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relevant contact persons on such matters. Redhat has been very
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responsive in the past and I hope and believe the others will
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too.
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It would also be effective in making the LDP efficient for
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the end users.
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Regards,
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Stein Gjoen
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<li><strong><a name="00466" href="msg00466.html">Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads)</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> "Rob Fenwick" <R.Fenwick@plymouth.ac.uk></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="00467" href="msg00467.html">Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads)</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Donnie Barnes <djb@redhat.com></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="00470" href="msg00470.html">Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads)</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Guylhem Aznar <guylhem@oeil.qc.ca></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="00530" href="msg00530.html">Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads)</a></strong>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Stein Gjoen <srgjoen@online.no></li></ul></li>
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<li><strong><a name="00537" href="msg00537.html">Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads)</a></strong>
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