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<h1>Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads)</h1>
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<li><em>To</em>: Donnie Barnes <<A HREF="mailto:djb@redhat.com">djb@redhat.com</A>>, C Polisher <<A HREF="mailto:cpolish@ns.net">cpolish@ns.net</A>></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads)</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: Guylhem Aznar <<A HREF="mailto:guylhem@oeil.qc.ca">guylhem@oeil.qc.ca</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:13:51 +0200</li>
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<li><em>In-reply-to</em>: <<a href="msg00474.html">199910240053.UAA19974@cobra.redhat.com</a>>; from djb@redhat.com on Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 08:53:13PM -0400</li>
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On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 08:53:13PM -0400, Donnie Barnes wrote:
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> > We must tell people where they can find good quality and free
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> > documentation.
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> We *must*? Why? Sure, RH needs "marketing" to sell "free" stuff, but
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After the bad publicity we had this summer with slashdot &co articles,
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many users are considering the LDP as an elistist club not responding to
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requests or updates, offering 2 years old documentation, ...
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> that's because we *sell* stuff. A free software project shouldn't
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> need to spend dollars (donated or otherwise) to more effectively give
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Once again : We will not spend a single dollar of the LDP money to do
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this. We will ask sponsors or do it with our own money.
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> product worth having, everyone who needs it WILL find it. Is this
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> a new concept???
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For the documentation? Definitively.
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Compare the evolution of commercial books to free documentation, they're
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more efficiant.
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We keep "growing" thanks to linux exponential growth, but I think we're
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failing somewhere.
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We might have good quality documents, but the average user wants more
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"newbie" guides, and topic-specific help we don't currently provide.
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(just read the comments of slashdot articles)
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> Okay, fine. But chances are you'll already have LDP authors at each of
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> the major conferences and you can do all that at zero expense. If you
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> must (I still say there's little point).
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BTW :
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Who could go to LinuxExpo in Montreal (apr.) or in Paris (feb.)?
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(just curious to know, it could be helpful to have more ppl at "zero
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expense")
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Could you spend some time to help us presenting the LDP?
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> > We try to do whatever possible by ourselves, and use exterior help
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> > only as the last possibility.
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> Huh? That's why we have a banner ad on the website, I guess. :-(
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And it will never happen again. We'll find other ways.
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> You want "marketing"? How about doing things like opening a dialog with
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> the major distributions to build a generic help browser that includes the
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> LDP docs indexed and such and presented to each new user when they log
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> in? Now *that* is marketing, but it's really just a technical issue.
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This is what I call "indexing" ; C Polisher <cpolish@ns.net> is working
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on that.
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The help browser is a part of the project, but I'd prefer the index to
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be ready first.
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> > - we can't impose it to authors who can't convert their docs
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> Sure you can. Simply make it a migration where you support both for
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> a while and at the end just get some volunteers to convert those that
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> haven't been converted yet.
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Even if I might 'impose', I will *not* do that. We must all agree!
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However, I like the volunteer idea.
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Who could volunteer to help authors converting LinuxDoc to DocBook?
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If >5, we could start this migration.
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> *sigh* I love to see a "leader" who can effectively present a problem
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> *and* a complete argument for why it *can't* be solved all in the same
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> breathe. That's useful.
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I prefer this to imposing DocBook to anyone, which would really upset
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many authors.
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We can't and we won't decide something that important without consulting
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the authors.
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We have already talked about DocBook, and a significant number of
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authors didn't want to move to DocBook.
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If we have a good solution to start the migration (like volunteers to
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help converting docs.), we will discuss this again.
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Guylhem Aznar, Linux Documentation Project: <A HREF="http://www.linuxdoc.org">http://www.linuxdoc.org</A>
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> Guylhem Aznar <guylhem@oeil.qc.ca></li></ul></li>
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