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<li><em>To</em>: Guylhem Aznar <<A HREF="mailto:guylhem@oeil.qc.ca">guylhem@oeil.qc.ca</A>></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: Informal survey (was Re: Banner ads) </li>
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<li><em>From</em>: Donnie Barnes <<A HREF="mailto:djb@redhat.com">djb@redhat.com</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:53:13 -0400</li>
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> > Sometimes there needs to be a trouble maker. I agree completely with
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> > Jim's sentiment as well as Kendall's. This "core team" business is
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> > silly. Marketing the LDP is silly.
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> And ignoring the power of marketing is just as silly.
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> We must tell people where they can find good quality and free
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> documentation.
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We *must*? Why? Sure, RH needs "marketing" to sell "free" stuff, but
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that's because we *sell* stuff. A free software project shouldn't
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need to spend dollars (donated or otherwise) to more effectively give
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things away. I guarantee you one thing: If you produce a *free*
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product worth having, everyone who needs it WILL find it. Is this
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a new concept???
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> > Sure, if LDP members are already going to be at a trade show or
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> > conference, then fine, let them get the free booth that's available
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> > (and for projects like this they always exist) and annoy RH or VA
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> Sorry that's not the way I see it.
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> We're not going to hand out flyers, but rather talk with people
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> wondering why there's a documentation project, why it's free, what we're
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> doing, what license we use...
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I don't care *what* you do there. Hand out flyers, talk to people, etc.
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All fine ideas.
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> We need to explain what the LDP is about, not give away flyers ; it sure
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> can help but a discussion in the real world is better.
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Okay, fine. But chances are you'll already have LDP authors at each of
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the major conferences and you can do all that at zero expense. If you
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must (I still say there's little point).
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> > or someone to print off some flyers to hand out. But to turn this
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> We try to do whatever possible by ourselves, and use exterior help
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> only as the last possibility.
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Huh? That's why we have a banner ad on the website, I guess. :-(
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> > You folks are going off the deep end (and I'm addressing the "core
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> > team" here) with issues that just don't matter. The most important
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> > thing that this project needs is *maintainership*, not leadership.
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> > Fix the *technical* issues that still exist (submissions, tracking,
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> > etc) and forget about all this other crap.
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> - Submission : fixed
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> Did you try ldp-submit ?
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> The ftp will also help that
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> - Tracking ?????????????
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> We've never discussed this. Maybe you mean indexing ?
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> What else do you suggest ?
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You want "marketing"? How about doing things like opening a dialog with
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the major distributions to build a generic help browser that includes the
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LDP docs indexed and such and presented to each new user when they log
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in? Now *that* is marketing, but it's really just a technical issue.
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> Let's talk again about DocBook, and we will come to the same conclusion :
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> - there's no script to translate linuxdoc to docbook without a glitch
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Not much of an issue.
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> - we can't impose it to authors who can't convert their docs
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Sure you can. Simply make it a migration where you support both for
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a while and at the end just get some volunteers to convert those that
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haven't been converted yet.
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> - then someone will suggest man/info/html/fill the blank
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All inferior.
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> - and finally we'll say we can still wait a bit.
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*sigh* I love to see a "leader" who can effectively present a problem
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*and* a complete argument for why it *can't* be solved all in the same
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breathe. That's useful.
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--Donnie
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Donnie Barnes <A HREF="http://www.donniebarnes.com">http://www.donniebarnes.com</A> djb@donniebarnes.com "Bah."
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Challenge Diversity. Ignore People. Live Life. Use Linux. 879. V.
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