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<h1>Re: General Positive Feedback re: revision of site (fwd)</h1>
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<li><em>To</em>: "David Wheeler" <<A HREF="mailto:dwheeler@ida.org">dwheeler@ida.org</A>></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: General Positive Feedback re: revision of site (fwd) </li>
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<li><em>From</em>: Donnie Barnes <<A HREF="mailto:djb@redhat.com">djb@redhat.com</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:24:26 -0400</li>
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<li><em>Cc</em>: <A HREF="mailto:guylhem@oeil.qc.ca">guylhem@oeil.qc.ca</A>, <A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org">ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org</A></li>
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<li><em>In-reply-to</em>: <<a href="msg00265.html">990927161614.ZM16521@aphrodite.csed.ida.org</a>> from "David Wheeler" <dwheeler@ida.org> on Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:16:14 EDT.</li>
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> Donnie Barnes wrote:
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> >I suppose we should identify problems with the current manifesto before
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> >re-writing it. Some here have problems with it, others (like myself)
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> >like the current one.
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David Wheeler wrote:
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> The current "license" is total garbage. As Linux becomes more widely
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> used, you'd better figure out how to make an accurate license, set of
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> licenses, or criteria for a license. Otherwise people will line up
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> to sue or misuse you. How is it garbage? Let me count the ways:
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Pardon me, but you seem to have the word "manifesto" confused with
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"license". AFAIK there is *no* LDP "license", and it is my goal to
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keep it that way. Well, there certainly can be a suggested one, but
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I don't want any required one.
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David Wheeler wrote:
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> 1. Most seriously, the current license does NOT permit others to
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> distribute unchanged documents, even though that seems to be
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> the point of the project. That's stupid, and needs fixing.
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> Think that's just a minor legal nit and wouldn't be exploited? You're naive.
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> The U.S. in particular is lawsuit-happy.
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Are you talking to me? Because if you are, you're basing your end of
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the conversation on all kinds of assumptions that appear to be wrong.
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I'll just delete the rest of your "points" and you can argue them with
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someone else. The don't appear valid to argue with anyone since there
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is no standard LDP license covering all works. I license my documents,
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you license yours. If you have a problem with a license on a document
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of *mine*, then we'll talk. But nothing you quoted came off a document
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of mine.
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David Wheeler wrote:
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> Most people don't want to write licenses, and they're hard to get right.
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> At least provide a default" license & guidelines for minimum acceptability.
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> I'd rather write code & docs, not licenses.
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Again, that's fine with me. The "manifesto" includes guidelines for
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minimum acceptability. There are already plenty of licenses out there
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that meet those for you to choose from. You can write your own if you
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want. This is exactly the situation I *like*. If the LDP wants to
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have a suggested license (or a set of them), that's fine to. What I
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don't want is the LDP to REQUIRE A PARTICULAR license.
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> Mr. Poet wrote:
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> >Personally I don't care what license you use, I just think that if you
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> >drop maintainership of a document that we (THE LDP) have the
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> >right to change the license. The copyright info stays, but the license
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> >itself can change.
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David Wheeler wrote:
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> If _that's_ what you want, then you must say so in a license.
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> Otherwise, the author has the right to never update a document again.
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> Which indeed is what's happening.
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Whoa! Watch your quoting, pal. I didn't write any of the above, but
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your quoting implies that I did. (I inserted the "...wrote:" stuff to
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clear that up.)
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--Donnie
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Donnie Barnes <A HREF="http://www.donniebarnes.com">http://www.donniebarnes.com</A> djb@donniebarnes.com "Bah."
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<ul><li><em>From:</em> terry@albert.animats.net</li></ul></li>
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