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<h1>Re: SGML help needed</h1>
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<li><em>To</em>: <A HREF="mailto:Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl">Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl</A></li>
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<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: SGML help needed</li>
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<li><em>From</em>: Gary Lawrence Murphy <<A HREF="mailto:garym@canada.com">garym@canada.com</A>></li>
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<li><em>Date</em>: 15 Sep 1999 11:38:46 -0400</li>
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<li><em>Cc</em>: Vern Hoxie <<A HREF="mailto:vern@zebra.alphacdc.com">vern@zebra.alphacdc.com</A>>, <A HREF="mailto:ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org">ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org</A></li>
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<li><em>Organization</em>: TeleDynamics --- the Art of Being There</li>
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<li><em>References</em>: <<a href="msg00094.html">Pine.LNX.4.10.9909150710340.886-100000@bastion.nl3155vj16.vanderkooij.org</a>></li>
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<li><em>Reply-to</em>: Gary Lawrence Murphy <<A HREF="mailto:garym@canada.com">garym@canada.com</A>></li>
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I spent most of this morning with a customer, a local senior who is
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grappling with sorting out why Netscape calls "email" "messenger" and
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wondering why search engines have so many buttons (I sent her to
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Google) ...
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>>>>> "H" == Hugo van der Kooij <Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl> writes:
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H> You should check out the SGMLtools
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H> homepage. <A HREF="http://www.sgmltools.org/">http://www.sgmltools.org/</A>
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H> All answers are there.
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I told her I may have a quarter century of experience, but I am in the
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very same boat ;) ... the answers may be there, but you can't say they
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are obvious. The obtuseness of the documents I've found so far is
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refreshing (and humbling) --- Zen says something about "seeing the world
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with new eyes" and this is exactly the state of my bewilderment 8)
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For example, I eventually figured out how to run PSGML-mode and translated
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my book outline to verifiable DocBook, but then stumbled trying to create
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HTML --- the docs say to use a Jade command that doesn't work, and the
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sgmltools site hides the db2html command script (with no mention of its
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command parameters).
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Anyway, I eventually (3am) figured out that "db2html -d mystyle.dsl
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book.sgml" would create some HTML pages, and cloned the cygnus-both
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style so I could change the background colour, but the pages are still
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dead ugly, especially the title page. I've started down the long
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winding path to learn how to customize the Walsh stylesheets, but what
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I really want to know is how to accomplish specific layout effects,
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for example, to format <collab> and <author> tags into table columns
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and rows so I can place the authors beside a graphic image (somewhat
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like an Amazon or FatBrain page), or how to add headers and footers,
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or how to wrap the output inside a page layout where I can put a menu
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down the left, or ...
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(see <A HREF="http://nwalsh.com/docbook/dsssl/doc/custom.html">http://nwalsh.com/docbook/dsssl/doc/custom.html</A> for info
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on customizing stylesheets)
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What I also need is a place to ask dumb questions about DocBook usage
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and conventions, for example, how to place the author's email and
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webpage in a <collab> (I put them under <address> but with horrible
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results).
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I know DocBook can do all this stuff because in sifting through the online
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docs, I see some beautiful examples of output --- it's too bad more sites
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don't place the SGML source to their title page online as an example ;)
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Looking back, though, I see I have graduated from basic content to
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basic layout. The dynamic demos in mozilla, however, still seem
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lightyears away.
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--
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Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
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Business Telecom Services : Internet Consulting : <A HREF="http://www.teledyn.com">http://www.teledyn.com</A>
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Linux Writers Workshop Archive: <A HREF="http://www.egroups.com/group/linux-hack/">http://www.egroups.com/group/linux-hack/</A>
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"You don't play what you know; you play what you hear." -- (Miles Davis)
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