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><strong>Kylix</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#wanted/2"
><strong>netbooting Linux from network by using pppoe</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#wanted/3"
><strong>Tools for altering installed kernel</strong></a>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Kylix</FONT></H3>
Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:37:51 -0400
<BR>Octavio Aguilar (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=oam@mail.cosett.com.bo&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20help%20wanted%20%231">oam from mail.cosett.com.bo</a>)
<BR>translated by Mike Orr, except for one part by Heather Stern.
<P>
Hola amigos :
</P>
<P><BLOCKQuote>
Alguien sabe como Podria ejecutar un programa compilado en Kylix, fuera
del entorno de Kylix?
</BLOCKQuote></P>
<blockquote><font color="#001F3F">Hi, friends. Does anybody know how to run a program that's compiled in Kylix,
but without having the Kylix environment around at runtime?
</font></blockquote>
<P>
!ah! Un comentario demonio (daemon )siguifica Dinamic access memory,
estoy equivocado?
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#001F3F">Ah! A daemon commentary means dynamic access memory, or am I mistaken?
</font></blockquote>
<P>
Gracias por su tiempo.
Octavio.
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#001F3F">Thanks for your time.
-- Octavio</font></blockquote>
<P>
Octavio--
Sorry, I've never used Kylix. I just ran a demo once.
I don't understand your second question. Memory is hardware; a daemon is
software. And what's a "daemon commentary"?
</P>
<P>
Octavio--
Lo siento, no he usado Kylix. Ejecute' un demo de e'l una vez, no ma's.
No entiendo la segunda pregunta. La memoria es hardware, un demonio es
software. Que' significa un "comentario demonio"?
</P>
<P>
-- Mike Orr
</P>
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Hola amigos :
</P>
<P>
Espero que puedan ayudarme, resulta que en mi maquina instal&eacute; firebird, y
luego cree una base de daatos, luego desde Kylix me conecte sin problemas.
</P>
<P>
De la misma forma quise hacer en otras m&aacute;quinas que tienen redhat 7.2,
copie el instalador firebirdCC....rpm, pero resulta que me sale un error :
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#001F3F">Hi friends, I hope you can help me. I installed Firebird on my computer, and then
created a database, which I can connect to from Kylix without problem.
</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#001F3F">I wanted to install it the same way on other Red Hat 7.2 machines. I copied the
installer FirebirdCC RPM, but got the following error:
</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><pre>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
warning : Expected size : 2676232=lead(96)+sigs(68)+pad(4)data(2676064)
warning : actual size : 2676232
warning : Expected size : 2676232=lead(96)+sigs(68)+pad(4)data(2676064)
warning : actual size : 2259998
error : unpacking of archive failed on file /opt/interbase/lib/libgds.so.0
;3 d021bc6 ; cpio:need
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
</pre></blockquote>
<P>
Intente bajar de internet el mismo paquete pero el resultado para
instalarlo es el mismo error.
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">(Heather: oboy, my spanish is rustier than Mike's, but I'll try.) <br>I intend to go under the internet to packets (maybe: download the package?) but the result
of installing is an error.
</font></blockquote>
<P>
Como puedo solucionar este problema ?
</P>
<P>
Gracias por su tiempo
Octavio
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#001F3F">What's the solution to this problem? Thanks for your time. Octavio.
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<FONT COLOR="navy">netbooting Linux from network by using pppoe</FONT></H3>
Sun, 2 Jun 2002 20:51:18 +0200
<BR>Wlm (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=wscheerl@pi.be&cc=robos@geekmail.de&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20help%20wanted%20%232">wscheerl from pi.be</a>)
<br>comment from Robos (The Answer Gang)
<P><STRONG>
Hello,
</STRONG></P>
<P>
Hi!
</P>
<P><STRONG>
I want to install a Linux on my PC. This PC has a Ethernet connection
towards a DSL modem. Across this Ethernet I had to use PPPOE. Is their an
image available with PPPOE support? The standard netboot.img has no support
for PPPOE. This image recognize my Ethernet but thus not allow me to
activate PPPOE across it.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
I want to install Redhat 7.3 across the net.
Thanks in advance for your answer.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
Grt
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
Wim
</STRONG></P>
<blockquote>
I'm <EM>pretty</EM> certain that most, if not all rather new images include
that, exactly why you ask - to get dsl up and running.
<br>Robos
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">So if someone knows the hint Wlm needs, let us know, and we'll publish
your Two Cent Tip.
-- Heather</font></blockquote>
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Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:05:21 +0100 (BST)
<BR>Mike Martin (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=redtuxxx@yahoo.co.uk&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20help%20wanted%20%233">redtuxxx from yahoo.co.uk</a>)
<P>
I am helping someone out on another list I am on and a have a query.
</P>
<P>
Does anyone know of a reliable utility to alter parameters on an
installed kernel other than rdev.
</P>
<P>
In particular whether there is anything that will get rid of
debugging in the kernel?
</P>
<P>
I would just recompile personally but if anyone knows of a tool that
would be useful.
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<FONT COLOR="navy">usb pegasus driver vend/prod id</FONT></H3>
Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:05:22 -0000
<BR>Ebo Bentil (<a href="mailto:linux-questions-only@ssc.com?cc=bentil@usa.net&subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20help%20wanted%20%233">bentil from usa.net</a>)
<P>
Hi,
</P>
<P>
I have a USB ethernet adapter based on the Pegasus/Pegasus-II chipset. I tried to use
the pegasus driver with a 2.4.3 kernel but the driver is not claiming the vend/prod id
of the USB adapter. Unfortunately I am unable to recompile a more recent kernel for
my system. I would like to know if there is a way to spoof the vend/prod id somehow
(without flashing the USB adapter) so the pegasus driver claims the device. I am
thinking there is perhaps some kernel mechanism to increase the set of devices claimed
by a particular driver at runtime. I think a more recent kernel version would solve
my problems but a recompile is not an option for me because of my particular setup.
Any ideas?
</P>
<P>
Ebo
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">Don't use quoted printable with no fancy characters to defend.
</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">Maybe one of our readers can suggest the right tricks for compiling
modules that are only major-version dependent instead of minor version
dependent. I think some people who use linmodems might know a Tip or
two.
</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">Note you still have to have the right symbols present in your kernel.
If they aren't, you won't be able to use the module safely, even with <tt>insmod -f</tt>.
-- Heather</font></blockquote>
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<li><A HREF="#mailbag/1"
><strong>Mistake in December 99 Linux Gazette</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#mailbag/2"
><strong>Re: Making executables smaller</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#mailbag/3"
><strong>Is it possible to have a latest issue link?</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#mailbag/4"
><strong>Linux gazette 79 article improvement</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#mailbag/5"
><strong>Kudos</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#mailbag/6"
><strong>Difference between LJ and LG</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#mailbag/7"
><strong>Etiquette Wars</strong></a> -- the final salvo.
<li><A HREF="#mailbag/8"
><strong>re : The Complaint Department: Typos and Grammatical Errors</strong></a>
<li><A HREF="#mailbag/9"
><strong>Did you see that Fabor gets famous?</strong></a>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Mistake in December 99 Linux Gazette</FONT></H3>
Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:49:28 +0100
<BR>Imad TALHA (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%231">imad_talha from hotmail.com</a>)
<P>
Hi,
</P>
<P>
I'm a French student and I tried to compile a little program I found in
your magazine in your "Linuxthreads programming" section of December 99
magazine. The programm is not working and I didn't find why. Could you
help me please to make it work.
</P>
<P>
Thanks
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#001F3F">Your best bet is to contact the author, Matteo Dell'Omodarme.
His address is at the top of the article. But you'll need to say
something more specific than "not working". See
<A HREF="../tag/ask-the-gang.html"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/tag/ask-the-gang.html</A>
and scroll down to "doesn't work". How exactly did it fail?
-- Mike</font></blockquote>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Re: Making executables smaller</FONT></H3>
Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:19:20 -0400
<BR>John M. Fisk (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%233">John.Fisk from yale.edu</a>)
<BR>in reply to Jim Dennis (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%233">the <em>Linux Gazette</em> Answer Guy</a>)
<blockquote><font color="#000066">John sent us a 2 Cent Tip, so the Answer Guy wondered...
</font></blockquote>
<P><STRONG>
Are you the same John Fisk that originally started the Linux Gazette? -- JimD
</STRONG></P>
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<P>
Hello Jim,
</P>
<P>
Thanks so much for the note. And yes, it's me. Since the last submission
(now a couple years ago) I've been rather busy finishing up medical
training (Pathology and Medical Informatics at Yale) and my wife and I have
adopted a little girl from China (with another one on the way). Thomas
Adam (the new maintainer of the Weekend Mechanic column) and I just started
corresponding and I took the opportunity to look over the latest edition of
the LG. The folks at SSC have done a commendable job of keeping the LG
alive and very active. I really appreciate the great job they've done.
</P>
<P>
cheers,
<br>John
</P>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Is it possible to have a latest issue link?</FONT></H3>
Tue, 4 Jun 2002 01:04:59 +0100
<BR>Yuting Kuo (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%234">yuting.kuo from ic.ac.uk</a>)
<P>
Can we have something like a www.linuxgazette.com/latest link?
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#001F3F"><A HREF="../current"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/current</A>
-- Mike</font></blockquote>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">linux gazette 79 article improvement</FONT></H3>
Wed, 05 Jun 2002 22:36:36 -0300
<BR>Silvio Santana (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%235">lunixs from ieg.com.br</a>)
<BR>comment to krishnakumar_r (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%235">krishnakumar_r from bharatmail.com</a>)
<P>
Hi Krishnakumar R.
</P>
<P>
Your series of articles "Writing Your Own Toy OS" on Linux Gazette is
the best ever.
</P>
<blockQuote><ol><li><A HREF="../issue77/krishnakumar.html"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue77/krishnakumar.html</A> Part I
<li> <A HREF="../issue79/krishnakumar.html"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue79/krishnakumar.html</A> Part II
</ol></blockQuote>
<P>
I am enjoying it very much and I'm eager to learn
something about the 80x86 protected mode.
</P>
<P>
I also have a suggestion. In part II, I think the code for write.c can
be improved a little.
</P>
<P>
When reading sect2 with
</P>
<blockquote><pre> file_desc = open("./sect2", O_RDONLY);
read(file_desc, boot_buf, 510);
close(file_desc);
</pre></blockquote>
<P>
instead of reading only 510, you can actually read 512 bytes with no
harm.
</P>
<P>
It doesn't hurt to be 510, but I think it would be more easy to
understand it's 512,
so that learners won't be thinking that the second sector also have to
finish with the magic numbers x55 xAA, just like the first sector does.
</P>
<P>
I'd like to know what do you think about it and if you agree.
</P>
<P>
See you and thanks a lot, man!
</P>
<P>
Silvio Luis Leite Santana
</P>
<BLOCKQUOTE><EM>
[The article was changed at the author's request. -Iron.]
</EM></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Kudos</FONT></H3>
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:27:51 -0400
<BR>Rob Tougher (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%236">robt from robtougher.com</a>)
<P>
Guess what - I got a job
<IMG SRC="../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":)"
height="24" width="20" align="middle">. A guy I worked with a few years back was
reading the Linux Gazette, and saw my article.
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">In May's issue, <A HREF="../issue78/tougher.html"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue78/tougher.html</A>
-- Heather</font></blockquote>
<P>
He emailed me, and one lunch and two meetings later I was employed again. You
definitely get the assist on that one.
</P>
<P>
I also credit your magazine for keeping me sane the last 8 months - writing
for you has been a great outlet. I'll keep the articles coming.
</P>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">Difference between LJ and LG</FONT></H3>
Tue, 04 Jun 2002 07:34:15 -0500
<BR>Wyman Griffin (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%237">wgriffin from fedex.com</a>)
<P><STRONG>
At our company there has been some discussion as to the differences of the Journal
and the Gazette. Would you please respond with SSC's definitive description
of the difference and is both being published at this time. Thereby we can
put to rest any further discussion at our work place.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>
Regards,
<br>Wyman Griffin
</STRONG></P>
<P>
Linux Journal is a commercial print magazine. Linux Gazette is a free e-zine
that SSC donates some employee time to. LG was started by an individual, John
Fisk, then SSC took over responsibility for it when John no longer could.
</P>
<P>
LJ pays authors for their work. It has a stricter standard for what it will
accept, does professional proofreading and technical editing, won't publish
anything that's been published elsewhere (with occasional exceptions), and doesn't
allow republishing without permission. Each LJ issue has a theme, and articles
are solicited for that theme (although any issue will have lots of non-theme
articles too). Space issues determine the number of articles and their length.
(Because the printer prints on 32-page sheets, you have to add
pages in groups of eight.) LJ also publishes several series of publicly-accessible
web articles at <A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com"
>http://www.linuxjournal.com</A>, for which we pay the authors just
like magazine articles. (The magazine articles are also available to the public
after three months.) For specific questions about LJ, contact the Linux Journal
Editor, <A HREF="mailto:ljeditor@ssc.com"
>ljeditor@ssc.com</A>.
</P>
<P>
LG does not pay authors, does less time-consuming proofreading, and publishes
pretty much anything we have permission to publish that's about Linux, contains
some significant content of a more or less permanent nature ("new information"
or reference material), doesn't unfairly slam/slander anybody, and isn't a
mindless advocacy rant. But we don't go looking for content, we let it come
to us. LG issues do not have a theme, we just publish articles whenever
they arrive. There is no particular number of pages to fill, so we don't pay
attention to article count or article length, although we do try to keep the issue
size to less than 2 MB compressed (occasionally 4 MB). LG does not accept
advertisements, although we do have a sponsorship program that gets your logo
on the home page. LG is published under the Open Publication License, so
readers may copy and redistribute it (for free or profit) as much as they wish.
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<h4 align="center">the final salvo</h4>
Wed, 5 Jun 2002 05:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
<BR>Marko Cehaja (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%238">thetaworld from yahoo.com</a>)
<blockquote><font color="#000066">Once upon issue 64 or so in the Mailbag,
we pubbed a note from a cheeky
fellow who decided to tell us off about our bad attitude. He also took
the tack that we were a single person and that it was somehow our
"fault" if a bunch of sensitive souls ever saw it. Obviously there are
others in the world who think he was right, but Marko took umbrage with us for
being cheeky enough ourselves, to post <EM>his</EM> message when we replied.
</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">Scofflaws may enjoy reading the offending note
and its reply together:
<A HREF="../issue64/lg_mail64.html#mailbag/1"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue64/lg_mail64.html#mailbag/1</A>
and a number of the Gang replying to Marko in issue 78:
<a href="../issue78/lg_mail.html#mailbag/4"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue78/lg_mail.html#mailbag/4</A>
-- Heather</font></blockquote>
<P>
Dear Ben,
</P>
<P>
thanks for your reply, however I mastered etiquette
course (sorry for misspellings) and know very well the
difference between vulgar and etiquette.
</P>
<font color="#000066">
<blockquote>
Much nattering back and forth between Ben and Marko about the
ture nature of etiquette (which requires a social context) and the words
of gentle society, snipped, because there was not a word about Linux
in the lot of it. The closest to a comment about the readership at large
were these two tidbits.
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
from Marko:</blockquote></font>
<p>
<em>Gazette</em> is distributed under
free licence and so when people reading it in a
computer club (from 8 to 88) they should get a good
viewpoint of gazette or bad view point?
</p>
<font color="#000066">
<blockquote>No special effort was made to suggest what we should do
instead, except to simply never post such things at all. The original
reader-by-chance, albeit brash, asked a fair question and we answered
him cheerfully, with our policy and the note that if he ever has a Linux
question, feel free to ask it. However, there I noted that if you seek
formal and professional standards, subscribe to Linux Journal. See the
email above and the differenece will be more clear.
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
and from Ben:
</blockquote></font>
<Blockquote>And "vulgar" is a compliment when it comes
to the Linux Gazette; we are indeed "of the common
people".</blockquote>
<font color="#000066">
<blockquote>The world of the <em>Gazette</em> is that of ordinary people during
an ordinary day. Sometimes ordinary people feel like telling us off. For some
reason the flames take longer to put out when gentlefolk tell us off instead
<IMG SRC="../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":)"
height="24" width="20" align="middle">
We reserve the right to leave a reader's commentary intact for context.
I'm sure that someone out there thinks that one bad word, ever, will disimprove
<em>LG</em>, and we should never publish such things. That someone is welcome
to stop using all the free software that has brutal things to say in its comment
blocks, too. Not, mind you, that I can guarantee any proprietary software is
written by only pure and soft-spoken souls, either. That may be beyond even
Marko's gentle senses, though I certainly can't be sure.
</blockquote>
<blockquote>If Marko is upset about it being pubbed first in issue 64's Mailbag,
I can assure you it won't happen again... since I will no longer publish
grammar nor morality flames without Linux content. We have enough of them now
that unless our policy changes, we can simply point to these past issues.
</blockquote>
<blockquote>I remind readers that this magazine is all about <em>Making Linux
A Little More Fun</em>, not ragging on your imperfect neighbors.
There are so many languages on this planet that any given puddle of letters
could be past tasteless all the way to downright rude in more than one of
them. But this magazine is about Linux, not about becoming the international
edition of <em>Emily Post</em>. It is quite enough censorship already that I
cannot publish all the good stuff that is written by The Answer Gang.
</blockquote>
<blockquote>To everyone who has a thought towards correcting our past issues,
the license is open, and any copies of <em>LG</em> are free to modify:
</blockquote>
<blockquote><ul>
<li>You may make a more pleasant copy of your own
<li>If you make it publicly available let us know and we will advise the
world via our mirrors page.
<li>If you have specific corrections to apply, send them to us, and we
might apply them. In which case all the direct mirrors will see it at
their next update. At some months delay, this will also include the
major distributions.
<li>If you're holding a round piece of anodized metal-foil and plastic in your
hand, we cannot change what it contains. You'll have to burn a new CD.
If you want to disagree with us, consider taking a refresher course in
physics... or use one of Linux' many free word processors or layout languages
to write up your thesis on matter transformation at a distant location.
I recommend LaTeX -- I hear that a lot of scientific journals favor it.
</ul>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>I'm all for making the world a better place; but people have to
help each other to do it. -- Heather</blockquote>
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<H3><IMG ALIGN=BOTTOM ALT="" SRC="../gx/envelope.gif">
<FONT COLOR="navy">re : The Complaint Department: Typos and Grammatical Errors</FONT></H3>
Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:35:11 -0600 (MDT)
<BR>Matthew.Austin (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%239">Matthew.Austin from Colorado.EDU</a>)
<blockquote><font color="#000066">Boy, this topic is from the dusty shelf;
<A HREF="../issue37/tag/23.html"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue37/tag/23.html</A> and
<A HREF="../issue36/tag/67.html"
>http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue36/tag/67.html</A>
-- Heather</font></blockquote>
<P>
With all of that guy's complaints, I'm reminded of an old advertisement for
learning shorthand:
</P>
<strong><p>
"f u cn rd ths msg..."
</p></strong>
<blockquote>
u cn us unx.
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
Cheers,
-- Jay R. Ashworth
</blockquote>
<P>
Point being, that the informational difference between their/they're, or more
appropriately, between "kernel core team has soundly reject suggestions that
Linux adopt..." and "kernel core team has soundly rejected suggestions that
Linux adopt..." as quoted the information content difference is nil, for a
native English speaker. Don't let him get too down on you -- we just are
pampered by having a MLA in the first place to standardize these issues.
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<H3><IMG ALIGN=BOTTOM ALT="" SRC="../gx/envelope.gif">
<FONT COLOR="navy">Did you see that Fabor gets famous?</FONT></H3>
Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:40:06 +0200
<BR>Robos (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20mailbag%20%239">robos from muon.de</a>)
<BR>with comments by Faber Fedor
<blockquote>
Famous? Obviously not famous enough for my name to get spelled
correctly!
<IMG SRC="../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":-)"
height="24" width="20" align="middle">
</blockquote>
<P><STRONG>
Hi all!
Well, there is this "Is linux dead?" comment on <TT>/.</TT> and in the MSNBC
article (<A HREF="http://www.msnbc.com/news/772215.asp"
>http://www.msnbc.com/news/772215.asp</A>) Fabor is quoted rather
extensively. The <TT>/.</TT> news comment is really bad (doesn't fit at all)
but Fabor comes along really nice.
</STRONG></P>
<blockquote>
Thansk for the compliment. When I first read the article, I was
sounding like Chandler Bing's ex-girlfriend on "Friends"
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
&lt;Janice&gt;Oh - my - gawd!&lt;/Janice&gt;
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
The article was, IMO, a back-handed compliment.
</blockquote>
<P><STRONG>
He should have mentioned TAG though
<IMG SRC="../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=";-)"
height="24" width="20" align="middle">
</STRONG></P>
<blockquote>
I think I did.
<IMG SRC="../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":-)"
height="24" width="20" align="middle">
</blockquote>
<P><STRONG>
As a question to fabor: Why do you say (as the article quotes) "It's
for geeks"?
I mean, we're mostly geeks (ok, all) but those people who
write us with questions are most certainly not geeks (most of them)
since then they would probably figured out the thing themselves. These
lusers might have some probs with "linux" but only because when they
buy some win crap they wine to the support stuff of that firm, in
GNU/linux they get all the tools at once and don't have such a
technical support (suse and redhat for a short time at the beginning,
ok..) to ask questions. So they come to us and thats what TAG is
for. Bit I think that most luser get along with GNU/Linux pretty well
given the fact that GNU/Linux is <em>far</em> more powerful and
customizable. With most questions they come to either us or debianhelp
for example, they wouldn't even ask those questions on win since there
they wouldn't get the fix idea to run their own webserver just-for-fun
since there it isn't that much free (as in beer) software to play with
(that sentence is rather crap, granted, but I hope you get my general
drift) -- Robos
</STRONG></P>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">
I'll disagree to the extent that there is plenty of free-as-in-beer
or shareware available for Windows, but to a certain degree you have to be
geeky to know where to go looking for it. Been there, showing people cool
stuff like virtual desktops and icon managers and replacement command shells.
-- Heather</font></blockquote>
<blockquote>
Well, you really need to hear the question I was asked! I was asked
"Why is Linux popular in the enterprise and with upper management but
not popular on home PCs?"
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
"It's for geeks and they thrive in the enterprise where the power of
Linux is appreciated." Then I went on to mention about MS licensing
practices taht forbid other OSes or changing of the boot sequesnce. I
said THAT was why Linux isn't popular on the desktop. I even mention BeOS
and Hitachi.
</blockquote>
<P><STRONG>
So, to make it clear: I think with a little help (about as much as you
need in the beginning with windoze) and some distro like suse or
mandrake a pretty normal user can now easily use linux and the
accompained software (as long as they can and are willing to read).
</STRONG></P>
<blockquote>
I agree. And while my student/attendee, Dave Potter, did say those
things, he came off alot different than the article sounds.
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
Anybody know of a course in "how to answer a journalists' questions without
being misrepresented?"
<IMG SRC="../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":-)"
height="24" width="20" align="middle">
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
--
Regards,
Faber
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">What Robos had to say only works if you know what
parts they are likely to misrepresent. Make them repeat it back. Squeeze 'em if
they can't get it right. Unfortunately the cultural gap is likely to foster
addiitonal assumptions based on whatever you say or do to try and keep
matters straight.
</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">If people don't <EM>want</EM> to understand, we
can't make it happen. That's the real nature of freedom, folks. But we can say
things our way in our own venue, and when they come looking for us, it'll still be here.
</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">Remind me to ask Faber's question in the press room at LWE though...
-- Heather</font></blockquote>
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<FONT COLOR="navy">ask-the-gang</FONT></H3>
Fri, 31 May 2002 09:11:39 -0700
<BR>Mike Orr (<a href="mailto:gazette@ssc.com?subject=%20Re%3A%20%5BLG%2080%5D%20gazette%20matters%20%230"><em>Linux Gazette</em> Editor</a>)
<P><STRONG>
Compliments to Ben for continuing to make
<a href="../tag/ask-the-gang.html">tag/ask-the-gang.html</a>
better and better.
</STRONG></P>
<P>
Thanks much! I treat it as a serious resource, and try my best.
</P>
<P><STRONG>
Gosh, this is twice I've complimented Ben in one week. I promise it
won't happen again.
</STRONG></P>
<P>
"I guess his heart just couldn't stand the shock - we've got syncope and
V-fib. All right, lets give him the whole 200j. ... Sync off... CLEAR!"
&lt;BZZZZT!&gt;
</P>
<P>
"OK, got paced rhythm and pulse. He'll prob'ly pull through if he
doesn't get any more of those compliments..."
</P>
<P>
<IMG SRC="../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":)"
height="24" width="20" align="middle"> -- Ben
</P>
<blockquote><font color="#000066">Too many compliments?
Just stack them over there next to the groceries, and I'll add them to the
virtual beer and munchies in the Answer Gang fridge. (See
<a href="../tag/members-faq.html">tag/members-faq.html</a>
for more about the fridge.) No fuzzybears were harmed in the writing
of this document
-- Heather</font></blockquote>
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