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<H3 align="left"><img src="../../gx/dennis/qbubble.gif"
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>uninstall linux</H3>
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<p><strong>From Gordon Van Vliet, Randy Filkin, Les Barron
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<p align="right"><strong>Answered By Ben Okopnik, Heather Stern...
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and Les Barron.
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<p><strong>
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i just read one of your previous posts re removing linux from a system.
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<p><strong>
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i installed linux mandrake 6 in a dual boot win98 setup.
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<p><strong>
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i just wanted to learn about linux a bit at a time but now im tired of it
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and want to remove it and lilo completley. I formatted the entire c drive
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and nothing would run because lilo was still there and parts of linux. How
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and where do I remove lilo? I read about the lilo -u , but where,when do i
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do this?
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<p><strong>
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Since I'm bothering you anyway.. I have a compaq presario with all the
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pre-installed crap. I would like to format everything completley and
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install a clean win98-me but even prior to any linux i tried this and it
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says this version of win is unsupported by your bios .so i am forced to
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use the compaq re-install disk that has all the garbage. what can I do
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to nuke everything and start fresh ??
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</strong></p>
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<p><strong>
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thanks for any help
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<br>gordon
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<P><STRONG><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/qbub.gif" ALT="(?)"
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> [Randy Filkin]
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does anyone have suggestions for uninstalling Linux
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Mandrake 7.2?
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</STRONG></P>
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<P><STRONG>
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I have searched high and low and cannot find any help
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in this regard.
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</STRONG></P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Ben]
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Strange; a quick Google search of the Web gives me over 1200 hits on
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"uninstall Linux" with 68 of those containing the word "Mandrake". Even a
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search of the past issues of LG comes up with 16 hits. What is your
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definition of "high and low"?
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<P><STRONG><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/qbub.gif" ALT="(?)"
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> [Randy FIlkin]
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I have an HP Pavilion that <EM>had</EM> windows 98 on it.
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After exhausting all
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resources that I know of, I ran the recovery CD,
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doing a recover once or
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twice and then doing a full FDisk and then recovery.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Ben]
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What could you possibly hope to recover after doing a "full fdisk"? I
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don't know which recovery CD you ran - Windows? Mandrake? There is no such
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generic term as a 'recovery CD', anyway - or what it was supposed to do,
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so the above provides no useful information.
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> [Randy Filkin]
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Everytime I would
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seem to successfully recover my original system
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configs and reboot,
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Ben]
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Which system? What are 'configs'?
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> [Randy Filkin]
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Linux would still be there, I would get the root
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password, and then I
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would once again insert my recovery CD and reboot to
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initiate the
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recovery process. I have checked their web page at
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<A HREF="http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en"
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>http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en</A> as well as help
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files on the CD and
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cannot find <EM>any</EM> info of getting rid of Linux
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</STRONG></P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Ben]
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Have you checked Microsoft's site for instructions on how to get rid of
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Windows? I haven't but I'd be willing to bet that you won't find anything
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like that - any more than you will find instructions on the General Motors
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site on how to trade in a Chevrolet on a Ford. You're looking for
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information in a place that obviously would not have it.
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P><STRONG><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/qbub.gif" ALT="(?)"
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> [Randy Filkin]
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Thank you for your time and attention!
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<P><STRONG>
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I am a very irritated customer of Linux. All I want
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to do is a
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successful uninstall of the O/S and no matter where I
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look in your
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documentation, I cannot find <EM>any</EM> info on this!
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Ben]
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No, you're not an irritated customer of Linux. You may be irritated, and
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you may be someone's customer - Mandrake's, perhaps? that is, assuming that
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you actually bought their CD - but not of Linux, since Linux doesn't have
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customers. Friends, perhaps. Fans. Advocates. Customers, no. Linux is an
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operating system and a community - not a business.
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Whenever someone writes in with a misconception as basic as that, I usually
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ignore their request, since it carries the presumption of "you <EM>owe</EM> me
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help, I'm an irritated customer!", and it's one I don't appreciate. All of
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us here at TAG are volunteers, and we put out the effort to do this for
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our own reasons - but I believe that all of us like to have our efforts
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recognized and appreciated; for me, it's one of the major 'returns' on my
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investment of time and effort here. To be told that we "owe" it is an
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up-front refusal to "pay" that appreciation and recognition, and a demand
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that I, personally, find delete-worthy.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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However, I'm going to go ahead and assume that your statement was based in
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lack of understanding rather than a "reputation hostage play" - plus, I
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have a habit of "paying in good coin" whenever I hijack someone's request
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to discuss a point of my own. So, here is my slight variation on what Jim
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Dennis has so capably covered in the past issues of LG (#s 25, 36, 46, and
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48, to be exact):
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQuote>
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Assuming that you want to clear off the entire drive and have no concerns
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about losing any of the data that is on it, boot Linux and enter
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<blockquote><pre>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1
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</pre></blockquote>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE>
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NOTE: this will completely wipe your entire Master boot Record! Not only
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will you not be able to boot from this drive, you will not even be able to
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read it once you've rebooted: it will require partitioning (via fdisk) and
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formatting. Be sure that you have your new OSs boot floppy close to hand!
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</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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If you wish, you can partition the disk while still in Linux (wiping out
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the MBR only makes itself felt after you reboot); "fdisk" and "cfdisk"
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will happily write DOS partitions to your drive.
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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If you have to do this from DOS, try entering the following commands:
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<blockquote><pre>lock c:
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fdisk/mbr
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</pre></blockquote>
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Several folks have reported having no luck with "fdisk <TT>/mbr</TT>" - which, in
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my long experience with it (I discovered it by reading the strings in
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"command.com" in DOS5.0 well before someone documented it as an
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"undocumented feature") both succeeds and fails silently. I believe that
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in the case of Windows-based installs, this is due to the fact that Windows
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disallows "raw writes" to the disk: a useful thing to prevent a certain
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percentage of viruses, but a hindrance when you need to fix something.
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"lock c:", above, "locks" the drive to allow them, and should make
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"fdisk/mbr" effective.
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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If you have further questions, or need a really radical (but guaranteed to
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work) solution, please see my article "Clearing out the Master Boot Record"
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in the mid February 2001 edition of LG:
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<A HREF="http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue63/okopnik.html"
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>http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue63/okopnik.html</A>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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<IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":)"
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height="24" width="20" align="middle">
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P><STRONG><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/qbub.gif" ALT="(?)"
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HEIGHT="28" WIDTH="50" BORDER="0"
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> [Randy Filkin]
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Thanks for your time and attention.
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</strong></p>
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<P><STRONG><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/qbub.gif" ALT="(?)"
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> [Les Barron]
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Dear Answer gang
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<br>Mandrake is the only system that I know of that uses a Linux extended
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partition that nothing else can read. could this be part of the problem.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Ben]
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Just to correct wrong information: 'ext2' is the <EM>standard</EM> filesystem for
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Linux, whether Mandrake or otherwise. Saying that "nothing else can read
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[it]" shows, at the very least, lack of familiarity with the issue (a
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number of other OSs, including Solaris and MSWindows, are capable of
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reading 'ext2'-formatted partitions - though software may be required.)
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P><STRONG><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/qbub.gif" ALT="(?)"
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> [Les Barron]
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I formatted my hard drive before I found this out. Personally I find
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<A HREF="http://www.suse.com/">SuSE</A> the easiest to set up &
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the most stable of the 6 or 7 distros that I have tried.
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</STRONG></P>
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<p><em>...flame bait and apologies for same, ellided.
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discoveries, though...
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</em></p>
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<P><STRONG><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/qbub.gif" ALT="(?)"
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> [Les Barron]
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I am very sorry about my previous statement. However what I actually
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meant is that Mandrake marks the extended partition type 85.
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<P><STRONG>
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I have made a mistake when I stated windows that I lost windows. I had
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windows98 on a primary partition
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and Windows 2000 on the first logical drive Windows2000 was no longer bootable
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after installing Mandrake. whereas redhat suse and others mark the
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extended partition as a win or dos type.
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</STRONG></P>
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<P><STRONG>
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I do not mean to knock any linux distribution I have enjoyed using all of them.
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</STRONG></P>
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<P><STRONG>
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I do very much enjoy the Linux Gazette
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and downloaded all of the back issues this evening.
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</STRONG></P>
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<P><STRONG>
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cheers
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<IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":-)"
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height="24" width="20" align="middle"> les
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</STRONG></P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Heather]
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Glad you're enjoying the Gazette, Les; it makes all my hard work worth
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more to me knowing folks find it helpful.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Ben]
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As they say, "no worries". The etiquette of getting along with other,
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perhaps strongly opinionated, people ("opinionated, <Em>me?</em> <strong>Surely</strong> you
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don't mean <Em>me!</em>" <grin>
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<IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=";)"
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height="24" width="20" align="middle"> is a learned skill - one that I find is somewhat
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forcefully taught in the various Linux (and other) newsgroups. Be sure to
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bring along an asbestos overcoat at first, though. <smile>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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By the way, good move on downloading the back issues of LG. I find that
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they are an excellent "local" reference for me: I've zipped all the text
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versions into a single file, and do a "zipgrep" on it whenever I can't
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find an answer to a Linux question in the manpages or "<TT>/usr/doc</TT>". As a
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side note, I use "zip" and "zipgrep" because that combination returns the
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"internal" filename that matches the "grep", whereas "gzip" and "zgrep" do
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not.
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I haven't played with Mandrake all that much, except for fixing up a minor
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configuration problem on a friend's machine, but I do find it sort of
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surprising that it would mess up another OS. Does Mandrake actually
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<EM>automatically</EM> mark the partition with type 85, or is that an install
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option? If I recall correctly, '85' says that the entire extended partition
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should be of type 'ext2',
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> [Heather]
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This is not <EM>quite</EM> correct. While it is true that the (linux) fdisk label
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for type 85 is "linux extended" - it merely means logical sub items (I am led
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to believe) are allowed to be larger than those of DOS... I've never seen
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anything that enforced that its further contents should be ext2 at all, except
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(merely?) that DOS won't even look in there. It would be less useful if it
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did - swap volumes aren't ext2 !
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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I've actually <EM>had</EM> to personally use this type to keep win98 from spotting
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the extend; with a standard type 5 extend... it went into deep space looking
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for a D: that simply wasn't there :( And hanging a newbie's system on boot
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we know is a Bad Thing(tm)
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Ben]
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... which would indeed prevent Windows from being
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installed there, but it definitely should not do so automatically -
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especially if there's already a defined extended partition in place (I
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believe that it would be marked as '5' (DOS extended) or 'F' (Win95
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extended).
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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> [Heather]
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It should be possible to allow the D: and any other extra partitions to
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live in a type 5 or type F while declaring a new Extend of type 85 to house
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Linux partitions. That's the other thing. You can't have two of the DOS
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type extend volumes or MSwin will have a tantrum. I'm not sure two of type
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85 will be allowed either. But I think you <EM>can</EM> have one of each safely.
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(Someone ought to test that.)
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> [Ben]
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Overwriting an existing partition definition would be even worse
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than anything that Windows does (overwriting an existing boot sector),
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> [Heather]
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<EM>This</EM> I agree with! Anyways the much more critical thing is that all the
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DOS visible portions have to be to the front of the drive. Unless MS has
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changed something this winter, it will stop searching when it finds partition
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types it disfavors, and if it doesn't know how to boot by then, you <EM>will</EM>
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hang.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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Which, sadly, is why we have all these questions about having a horrible
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time with a replaced MBR - most flavors of MS' bootloader simply won't
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chain over to other OS partitions (NT a possible exception, forcing it
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with LOADLIN is also possible) - so we have to replace the MBR with our
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own, which can be trained to do the reverse (boot windows safely). But, it
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isn't always perfect and when it fails - ouch! People have a good reason then
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to bail, but rarely know what it's safe to do next...
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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...of course the glitzy installers do NOT anticipate failing at their job, so
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folks have no real instructions what to do.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>
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There have been some fairly creative self-inflicted disasters seen amongst
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our querents.
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There needn't be very many of the linux-adopting population suffering this
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problem anymore - until it's just plain zero, I can simply say, every one of
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them who does, will be gnashing their teeth and asking <EM>someone</EM> for help.
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> [Ben]
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... and
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would merit an emergency-level bug report to Mandrake. You might want to
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play with that, and if you can confirm it, you'd be doing the entire Linux
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community a favor by reporting it.
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<STRONG><dl><dt><img src="../../gx/dennis/bbubble.gif"
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height="50" width="60" alt="(!) " border="0"
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> [Les Barron] They do have a fix for the problem posted at
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<DD><A HREF="http://www.linux.mandrake.com"
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>http://www.linux.mandrake.com</A>
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</DL></STRONG>
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<P><STRONG>
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I just wonder how many newbies this discouraged and stopped them using
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linux.
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However I suppose linux is not for those who give up easily.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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HEIGHT="28" WIDTH="50" BORDER="0"
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> [Ben]
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There, I agree with you completely. It does take a bit of perseverance -
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not to say a certain bloody-mindedness - to get over that initial hump.
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Once over, though, it's all downhill (note that I've very carefully
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refrained from saying <EM>which meaning</EM> of 'downhill' I refer to...
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<IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":)"
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height="24" width="20" align="middle">
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</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P><STRONG><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/qbub.gif" ALT="(?)"
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HEIGHT="28" WIDTH="50" BORDER="0"
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> [Les Barron]
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Thank you for your forbearance I shall now retire my typing finger and
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forever hold my peace
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<IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/smily.gif" ALT=":-)"
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height="24" width="20" align="middle">cheers.
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Les Barron
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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HEIGHT="28" WIDTH="50" BORDER="0"
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> [Ben]
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You might want to revisit that decision. Consider that your experience has
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caused this very useful (to any Mandrake folks) bit of information to
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percolate into a widely-read publication. That's a contribution that's got
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some good value to it - and the real strength of Linux, its underpinnings,
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is the fact that folks who use it are willing to give feedback on their
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experiences, good or bad. You've made a small but positive difference - and
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I invite you, and all of our readers, to set that sort of good example.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><IMG SRC="../../gx/dennis/bbub.gif" ALT="(!)"
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> [Heather]
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Amen to that, brother AnswerDude.
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